Saturday, January 10, 2009

Planting Heaven

This week SW talks with filmmaker Jim Sanders (Nosis) about his early days as an anarchist, his filmmaking career, his ayahuasca apprenticeship with Juan Flores in Peru and life as a practicing ayahuasquero in Winnipeg. Jim discusses how working together with the plant intelligences can usher us into a new humility, opening up undiscovered avenues of understanding and empowerment. Also covered: paranoid awareness as a bridge between Consensus reality and galactic consciousness, fusing shamanic knowledge with technology, the coming global shift, omega point and the question of death toll - is it inevitable?

Jim's films can be seen here and here
His blog is CentrePortal

23 comments:

auroragirl said...

On the subject of whatever kind of death toll the shift may or may not involve, I think many people really secretly want the way we presently live to end and that they would like to get back to a much simpler but more rigourous and satisfying way of life, but that lacking courage, they need the change to be forced upon them by outside circumstances. Most people are not ready to do anything that makes them look "crazy" on their own, but forced by circumstances to "go primitive", they might make the change very quickly. That said, I personally feel, and have felt all my life, that there will be an enormous death toll. I actually think that nobody will have to force anyone to go to the camps that DHS has readied, but that people will gladly go if they think they will find food and shelter there. I mean, just look at what happened during hurricane Katrina: the very people who had the least reason to trust the gov't readily turned themselves over to its tender mercies. On the one hand, their willingness to believe was tragically touching, on the other hand, what fools. As for galactic conciousness, given the example of Unseen Friend's post, I doubt that most people are ready to handle it. The Matrix has been steadily inculcating an attitude of fear and loathing of our own shamanic abilities, the ones we lost when the last global shift occurred (I have not listened to the podcast about Charley and the Aliens, so please forgive me if I seem to be plagarizing). The bible is full of examples of the new "left-brainers" hunting down and killing the old "right-brainers". I can't help but wonder if the people who are the most afraid of their own natural shamanic abilities have had horrible past-life experiences of the Inquisition or of being murdered during Biblical times. Again, I've not listened to the "aliens" podcast and I'm sorry if aeolus has already covered this subject.

aeolus kephas said...

Hey AG,

some good, strong points, and no you haven't parroted anything from the gorightly show (which isn't really about charlie and the aliens, so far as i know there's no connection there!).

I'd like to address your comments at length at some point, but not right now, pancakes are in the oven!

Sounder said...

Thanks aeolus for this intro to Jim Sanders and Juan Flores. I was happy to hear that Juan is expecting large celebrations in one or two years. This is how I like to see the ‘uncovering’ work out also. People forget about the essentially fecund nature of reality. We have spent so many centuries grabbing the goods in the name of God and king that all notions of wildly different possibilities are laughed off with a nervous giggle. Yet when the general population realizes how simple the true functioning of reality can be (seen to be), we all will be laughing, big belly laughs, with relief, great relief and celebrations unlike anything ever seem before.

Jim said...

Hey Sounder - Well said.

I had a dream once which all I could describe it as was that feeling after the "change" when everybody knew it was all good. A great feeling indeed. One big sigh of relief for sure.

Soon to come..

aeolus kephas said...

oh how i wish i could share your (plural) optimism! My body tells me a different story however. All you say, Sounder, is true, and yet...

We all know there is one Hell of a species Shadow still to confront and integrate, and no amount of reality-hopping is going to change this energetic fact.

Yet perhaps that what for many is a terrible day of reckoning (Jim's great humbling) will be for a merry shamanic few a day of great celebration? And as the "sins" of the past are reckoned and relinquished - seen for the illusory baggage they are - the mass screams will turn slowly to giggles?

swampjism said...

The thing is that we are all far more powerful shamans than we imagine. Why not project the most positive and beautiful visions available? Why do we play into the "mass death is inevitable" meme that is so dear to our Controllers, thereby making their magick even more effective?

There are no inevitabilities. Life is abundant and overflowing and there is more than enough for everyone. We create the future (and present!) we want.

I don't say this as some sort of kneejerk, cheese-mongering New Age platitude, but instead I present this conviction as a very logical outgrowth of our own analysis.

For if the present world really is a Matrix or Spell projected for the purposes of control by dark sorcerers, and we, being aware of of this, also realize that we are all in like manner potential sorcerers, then we have the power to change the Spell!

If we accept this, then the only question we need to ask ourselves here is, do we WANT billions of people to die before a shift takes place?

My own answer: Absolutely, entirely NOT!!

aeolus kephas said...

My question is: why are we projecting our own fear of and resistance to our personal death onto what may be a beautiful celebration IN and of itself

"Death is the crown of all"

"do we WANT billions of people to die before a shift takes place?"

My own answer: if that's what it takes.

Everyone now living will die. What is so "horrible" about them/us all DYING TOGETHER?

"For if the present world really is a Matrix or Spell projected for the purposes of control by dark sorcerers, and we, being aware of of this, also realize that we are all in like manner potential sorcerers, then we have the power to change the Spell!"

To change the spell means to break the spell, and we only break the spell by dying, one way or another.

Anything else, I'm afraid, IS just New Age daydreaming.

Anonymous said...

Aeolus,

Believe me, I'm not thrilled at the prospect of mass death. But as I've said before, I can't help but notice that both Birth and Death are traumatic. I can't help but suspect that the trauma / stress is deliberate / necessary for the soul / consciousness to transition into different states of consciousness for most people.

Maybe they're not able to do it, if left to there on devices.

On the subject of possible mass death coming, I noticed this McDonalds "Happy Meal - End of the World" advert which is currently showing on UK tv.

http://www.tellyads.com/show_movie.php?filename=TA5097

Like I said personally I'd prefer it not to happen, but maybe I'm a bit of a wimp when it comes to these things. Given the choice, I'd probably opt out.

William

swampjism said...

There is a world of difference between accepting one's own death and the death of others, and actively willing a massive die-off.

What I was trying to point out is that to deny that our willing makes a difference in determining events would seem to contradict the conclusion of many of us here that we are magickal beings. Magick, after all, is the art and science of causing change in conformity to will.

It is true that we have to learn to accept tragedy as it comes and we have to prepare ourselves for any eventuality, but we do not need to project the most negative possible outcome.

Why is simultaneous mass death so "horrible"? From a cosmic perspective, of course, it is not bad at all. As you wrote, all of us will die. Does it matter from this perspective if we die all at once or in the usual drips and drabs? I don't know. I don't know if any of us can answer this question.

From a more human perspective, though, mass death -- caused by natural disasters, war, crime, genocide, disease, accidents etc. -- is universally viewed as being a tragedy. We can witness these events dispassionately if they do not effect us personally, but when they cause the deaths of loved ones we suffer. This is human and this is the reality in which most of us live.

Is the Spell only broken with death? And does death in all cases break the Spell? Can any of us truly say that we know the answers to these questions?

What we do know, though, is that our adversaries down here do seem to get off on mass death, it does seem to be a part of their plans.

And why should we accept any part of their plan as inevitable?

Anonymous said...

"There is a world of difference between accepting one's own death and the death of others, and actively willing a massive die-off.

What I was trying to point out is that to deny that our willing makes a difference in determining events would seem to contradict the conclusion of many of us here that we are magickal beings. Magick, after all, is the art and science of causing change in conformity to will.

It is true that we have to learn to accept tragedy as it comes and we have to prepare ourselves for any eventuality, but we do not need to project the most negative possible outcome."

But what do you do if all your research and gut feelings lead you to a "negative" conclusion?

Does dwelling on your "negative" conclusion help to make it happen?

And if it does, is there a way of thinking about these themes without helping to bring them into existence?

If we have these "negative" ideas in our minds do we need to allow space for the possibilty of a completely different outcome? (rhetorical).

William

Anonymous said...

As a example of "negative" outcomes - What do we do with this?

Todays UK Telegraph online has a slide show story of a Nuclear Terrorist Attack on London.

Attack warning on June 20
Attack on London June 22

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturepicturegalleries/4220575/Blackjack.html

Paranoia or Paranoid Awareness or neither?

Should we ignore it altogether?

William

Anonymous said...

correct link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
culture/
culturepicturegalleries/4220575/Blackjack.html

Sounder said...

AG wrote...

"As for galactic consciousness, given the example of Unseen Friend's post, I doubt that most people are ready to handle it."

Our not being able to handle it is a result of inherent limitations within our current psychical conditioning system. Within the next psychical conditioning system we will find many new correspondences between the categories along with new forms and categories. The new correspondences will be expressed in such a way that any attempts to subvert the substance and meaning of the forms (of understanding) will expose the perps as takers rather than as givers. The mutual blackmail society will break down as the supply of ignorant victims dries up.

When the new forms are formalized, the average eight year old will understand them. The ‘smart’ people will then be so embarrassed at missing this and its simplicity that they will back off and cease with their feeding of dead forms. Yes, the meek will inherit the earth.

Jim said...

I also feel that the plan is for as many souls to be "alive" on Earth in their current incarnation so that they can benefit and integrate the experience we are and will be soon going through.

I really don't think/feel like mass death is coming, beyond what is already happening now.

Happiness in the Heart is how it will all shift. Its very simple I feel.

One thing Maestro Juan Flores talks about is that the time is now for suffering to end, even the ceremonies that required suffering our shifting.

good times ahead.

the best thing is we do not have long to wait and see.

great discussion.

auroragirl said...

Hi aeolus. My mistake. The title of that show was "...Charlie Manson and the UFOs".

auroragirl said...

Hi Jim. I really love your optimism and really wish I could share it. I, myself, and optimistic for the outcome of whatever will happen as a whole, but I am not optimistic about what it will mean for most of the people of consensus conciousness (like all of my family except for me). I mean, if someone can't accept that JFK wasn't killed by a lone assassin, how will they be able to accept cosmic conciousness, or will they have no choice (the "hundredth monkey" idea). I figure they will simply lose their minds and go to pieces, and that there will be mass outbreaks of florid paranoid schizophrenia (I forget where it happened, but as an example, awhile back some school children became hysterical when they thought an intruder was lurking in the ceiling of their classroom!). Not a pretty picture at all. I hope desperately that I am wrong, though!

aeolus kephas said...

I am not sure that willing has much to do with it. In all my years advising others of a coming Apocalypse, I have rarely if ever encountered an enthusiastic response to a mass death event! What I encounter is resistance to the idea, and perhaps what no one here has addressed is that RESISTANCE makes what we resist STRONGER.

as long as we are in a place of judgement, perceiving suffering or death (mass or otherwise) as tragedy, as wrong, bad, or even undesirable, we are making these elements stronger in our lives because, by not being OK with them, we are obliging ourselves to go deeper into them, in order to find out what it is about them we are resisting.

I can assure you, from what I know, that the chances of a mass die-off are reduced, however minimally, BY accepting it as inevitable, just as they are increased by assuming, or even hoping, that "good times" are ahead. They are, but only when we are OK, really OK, with the "bad."

R.T. said...

forgive me for driving right into it but I want to suggest an alternative way to look at the "mass" death.

First of all the wolrd is what you dream it. I will do a post on it later, but we all control the present with our fantasy. Gandhi's saying is not just an empty paraphrase. It's the deepest spiritual insight. True Guru stuff. We are interacting with our fantasy, the more creatively we dream, the better chances we have of escaping the monster of nothingness.

Secondly, life is (through) death. This important insight comes perhaps more from a (ancient) vedic philosophical angle. Death is a natural part of life, of evolution, of stepping up the spiritual ladder. We shouldnt confuse blind "humanism" with compassion. True compasion is a deep integration with natures ways and purposes. Those who should be saved will be saved, those who will not make it will simply just leave their erthly shell some years before their "expected" life span. To wake up in a new era, reborn into manificent, true divine superhuman excistence and consciousness.

Jason (Jake) Horsley said...

"For if the present world really is a Matrix or Spell projected for the purposes of control by dark sorcerers, and we, being aware of of this, also realize that we are all in like manner potential sorcerers, then we have the power to change the Spell!"

Neo and the gang couldn't change the matrix without first unplugging from it. Anyone who unplugged from the matrix DIED to their previous life, not merely figuratively but literally. (Tho they were able to come back if they wanted.) The reason the sorcerers in that film had no qualm about killing govt officials who were simply "doing their job" was because they knew that they were WORSE OFF THAN DEAD already.

OK, we don't have to take the movie as absolute fact (which is pretty much what i did that in MATRIX WARRIOR), but even as metaphor, the only conlusion is that the end of the matrix-world assembled by AI to enslave us would constitute death, real and total (and simultaneous) to any and all individuals who hadn't managed to unplug (surrender their identities) before this happened.

If you are gonna cite the matrix, you have to be willing to take the analogy all the way.

aeolus kephas said...

"We shouldn’t confuse blind "humanism" with compassion. True compassion is a deep integration with natures ways and purposes."

Thanks RT. This is what all this is moving towards. Jim's optimism IS refreshing, but it's also (to me) somewhat oppressive, because it’s contingent on our agreeing that we know what is good or right for *ourselves*, never mind for humanity. We don't.

The idea that living long, fruitful, celebratory and trauma-free lives is preferable to getting annihilated by a global apocalypse is personal bias, finally. Because we know it’s what we’d choose for ourselves, we feel obliged, by a sense of “compassion” (middle class guilt) to wish it for, or on, others.

Our arrogance assumes that existence as a physical, self-reflecting organism is superior or preferable to some other form of existence, beyond the personal identity/physical vehicle. And then we talk about shamanic awareness and galactic consciousness!

"From a more human perspective, though, mass death -- caused by natural disasters, war, crime, genocide, disease, accidents etc. -- is universally viewed as being a tragedy.

You said it, SJ: a *human* perspective.

But who at this blog thinks that the human POV is the be-all and end-all of perspectives? I do not view ANY of these things as de facto “tragic.” They don’t even meet the classical dictionary criteria for “tragedy” (which relates to a fall from greatness due to some crucial weakness or flaw, and a heroic failure to realize potential - precisely what we CAN say about LIVING humanity at present). What these elements are is “unpleasant,” or more precisely, unpalatable to our shiny, happy, human-centric egos.

I will continue this argument at a new post, as it's grown way too challenging to delegate to the buried end of a comment thread.

John said...

'Todays UK Telegraph online has a slide show story of a Nuclear Terrorist Attack on London.

Attack warning on June 20
Attack on London June 22'

Interesting choice of dates straddling the Summer Solstice from the Telegraph...

- word verification: leapers -

aeolus kephas said...

yes highly bad taste - is this entertainment or preparation? (I suppose the same thing could be asked about this blog)

upwinger said...

I really appreciate both AK and AG's candor as regards the visceral intuition of "mass death." I too have felt the tremor shaking all my life, as long as I can remember.

When I was a child, there were dozens of dreams; when I got older, the dreams tapered off as I began my lifelong explorations into mysticism, occultist, paranoid awareness, magick, UFOlogy, etc etc etc (all of you here know the terrain well). These explorations have now (courtesy of the crumbling American economy stripping me of nearly all attachment to material possessions) become my full-time everyday task. Not only has this provided a framework in which to better examine my own visions and intimations, it has also put me in touch with others who have also felt the same unnameable "Something" approaching all their lives.

The more it is examined, by any means, the more it seems to subsume all possible predicted scenarios (as we were discussing in brief re SW16 at the podomatic page).

I'll refrain from spouting off my current pet theorem. But one factor that seems consistent is that those of us who have experienced these intimations (both tormenting and tantalizing) live with a sense of "duty" in spreading the word; in my own case this is bound tightly with the exasperating sense that Time is always "running out."

Know what I mean?

(~aka iatromantis)